Creationist: Ken Ham vs Evolutionist: Bill Nye

“Is creationism a viable model of origins in today’s modern scientific era?”  And the answer is, yes…More on this in a moment. Neither side was not overly happy about the debate. But the debtors themselves were happy about their performance.

In recent years atheists have avoided debating creationists because they want to keep people in the dark about other viewpoints besides evolution. Most people have some form of spirituality to them, which is another reason, despite the fact that evolution dominates the science realm in public schools.

Public debates are never that easy, you have a limited time to present your view and a limited time to respond. So in preparation, each debtor has a goal to get out certain amount of information that want to share to the public and avoid going on the defensive.

The real debate normally happens afterwards when both sides post responses to content during the debate which is going to happen here as well. Bill Nye what I term as old school evolutionist who believes in uniformity of both past and present conditions so one of his arguments against creationism is using ice cores claiming each layer represents one year.

Samples taken in around the same area, do not always agree with each other. Snowfall varies, just recently parts of the east coast in the United States got a lot of snow, while parts of the midwest didn’t get nearly that much. Here is an interesting story, during World War II, six P-38 lightening fighters encountered bad weather and their only hope was to land on the east coast of Greenland, one crash landed, and the rest were able to land with their wheels. The pilots escaped with minor injuries.

They became known as the legendary Lost Squadron because it wasn’t until 1988, when scientists were able to locate the planes under the ice! Evolutionists were very surprised on how deep those planes were in the ice which were 250 feet below! Why? Because 250 feet of ice core would represent thousands of years in evolutionary time. And those planes were of course not thousands of years old, but rather the planes were in that location in Greenland for only 46 years! So they were amazed at the ice build-up in such a short period of time! The Bible has no problem with reality, but rather such things as this confirm it.

Organic material degrades in a short period of time, this is a known fact based on reality! When soft tissue was discovered in dinosaur fossils, this made another scientific case that the earth is thousands of years old rather than 3.5 billion years old. Since numerous discoveries of soft tissue has been discovered, it is evolutionists who are tying to come up with ideas on how to defy the natural rate of organic degradation.

Like many evolutionists, Bill Nye makes the assumption that if fossils of animals are found together, that means they lived together. Fossils of coelacanth and whale fossils have never been found together, but we know they live together in our present time. Lions were known to dwell in Israel in ancient times, but no known fossils of Lions have ever been discovered in Israel!  There are many other fossils out of place which confirms a global flood!

Speaking of the flood, Bill Nyle in his criticism of Noah’s ark, claimed he had fish on the ark along with insects and one-cell animals. There was no indication from the Bible that Noah was commanded to include fish and one-cell animals (obviously Bill didn’t read it). I suspect Nyle was trying to use something creation scientists use when debating evolution and that is the more specialized complexity, the more unlikely it never happened such as DNA where another language (code) was discovered, making something already complex even more which is a great thing to learn! There is some amazing things happening with the study of DNA.

Now Bill Nyle uses an outdated argument concerning the supposed transition of species by using Tiktaalik as an example. Richard Dawkins a well known atheist for attacking Christianity also uses Tiktaalik in his book called…“The Greatest Show On Earth”  as the perfect fossil but is it? Scientists have discovered other fossils with similar tracks of four legged creatures (see here in science magazine) all over the world and these fossils were dated in the evolutionary time frame as 18 million older which makes Tiktaalik a non-transition form as stated in science magazine!  

“We thought we’d pinned down the origin of limbed tetrapods,” says Jennifer Clack of the University of Cambridge in the United Kingdom. “We have to rethink the whole thing.”

In a way, I cannot blame Bill too much for using outdated material, because when one types in Tiktaalik in google, you read on he right hand side a brief summary which claims it is a transitional form despite the fact that it’s been falsified for almost four years.

While the debate wasn’t perfect as Ken Ham could have used information theory, soft tissue, and other scientific data, he did a decent job under the circumstances.

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One thought on “Creationist: Ken Ham vs Evolutionist: Bill Nye

  1. “In recent years atheists have avoided debating creationists because they want to keep people in the dark about other viewpoints besides evolution. ”

    That is obviously NOT the reason.

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