Richard Dawkins vs Governor Perry

Last week Governor Perry from Texas announced he’ll be running for President. Days after the announcement, he makes a statement about being against evolution and is an intelligent design proponent. This is a highly unusual statement, given the fact that, the United States has been in a recession since 2008. People are still loosing jobs or being being laid off at an alarming rate. Nevertheless, this issue always draws a lot of media attention and debate. Perhaps this is why he brought it up.

Richard Dawkins, known for his book, “God Delusion” weighed in on Governor Perry’s statement by quoting him this way which is supposed to be a copy from the Washington Post…

Texas governor and GOP candidate Rick Perry, at a campaign event this week, told a boy that evolution is ”just a theory” with “gaps” and that in Texas they teach “both creationism and evolution.” Perry later added “God is how we got here.” According to a 2009 Gallup study , only 38 percent of Americans say they believe in evolution. If a majority of Americans are skeptical or unsure about evolution, should schools teach it as a mere “theory”? Why is evolution so threatening to religion?”

There is a typo in this quote that should be corrected. Public schools in Texas do not teach both creationism and evolution, they only teach evolution. What Perry did say was this…

“I am a firm believer in Intelligent Design as a matter of faith and intellect, and I believe it should be presented in schools alongside the theories of evolution.”

So Richard Dawkins attacks Governor Perry educational background and character, which is the norm for him but so childish then proceeds to tell him evolution is a fact, and the tree of life hypothesis is evidence of that. Since the modern intelligent design movement is a promoter of a common ancestor, but not in the Darwinian way, they come to Perry’s defense and attack Dawkins stance with other evolutionary biologists who reject the tree of life hypothesis for something else within the framework of evolution because it has been falsified so many times, they can no longer force the data into its explanation.

“Unknown to Darwin, microbes use two mechanisms of natural variation that disobey the rules of tree-like evolution: lateral gene transfer and endosymbiosis” -Nature 2004.

Random biological variation according to evolution eventually produces all kinds of biological novelties. However, their proposal of biological variation comes with a cost rather than with a reward like evolution requires. For example, horizontal gene transfer is when genetic material gets transferred between individuals rather than vertically between generations. Recent studies have found that attempts to simulate the evolution of the genetic code via traditional evolutionary mechanisms leads to utter failure.

One study as recently as last year, states…“Starting with a random initial population of codes being used by different organisms—all using the same DNA bases but with different associations of codons and amino acids—they first explored how the code might evolve in ordinary Darwinian evolution. While the ability of the code to withstand errors improves with time, they found that the results were inconsistent with the pattern we actually see in two ways.

“First, the code never became shared among all organisms—a number of distinct codes remained in use no matter how long the team ran their simulations. Second, in none of their runs did any of the codes evolve to reach the optimal structure of the actual code. “With vertical, Darwinian evolution,” says Goldenfeld, “we found that the code evolution gets stuck and does not find the true optimum.”

Nothing in biology obtains clarity in light of evolution, only mystery on top of mystery which is perceived as observational facts by inventing a storyline for it, which makes it the only theory in science without experimental evidence.  The tree of life hypothesis does not prove evolution as a fact like Richard Dawkins tries to suggest.

Indeed, there are many gaps, and many of these gaps are filled with a lot of speculation.  I respectfully disagree with Governor’s Perry’s idea even though I agree, God is the designer of nature. It’s highly unlikely creationism would be treated fairly, rather than having public schools focus on where it came from, focus on how nature works and let students decide where it came from like God or evolution!

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20 thoughts on “Richard Dawkins vs Governor Perry

  1. @Michael

    There is a typo in this quote that should be corrected. Public schools in Texas do not teach both creationism and evolution, they only teach evolution. What Perry did say was this…

    “I am a firm believer in Intelligent Design as a matter of faith and intellect, and I believe it should be presented in schools alongside the theories of evolution.”

    Actually, Michael, Richard Dawkins did NOT misquote Rick Perry. In the SAME link you give from the Guardian, Perry is quoted as saying:

    “In Texas, we teach both creationism and evolution in our public schools – because I figure you’re smart enough to figure out which one is right.”

    Read the article again, and you’ll see where he said it.

    Thankufully, Rick Perry is technically wrong about that, despite the fact that he is governor of Texas and would know better, since PolitiFact has shown that he was untruthfull about his statement that Texas teaches both:

    Link: http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/aug/19/rick-perry/gov-rick-perry-says-texas-public-schools-teach-evo/

    Hey, don’t get me wrong–I actually felt better about him after I found he got this wrong, and I think I could hold my nose for him in 2012. I am glad he is in the race because he has stolen Michele Bachman’s thunder..though he also seems to have stolen Mitt Romney’s (my candidate) as well.

  2. Days after the announcement, he makes a statement about being against evolution and is an intelligent design proponent. This is a highly unusual statement, given the fact that, the United States has been in a recession since 2008

    What? WHAT?? W H A T ? ? ?

    We have long accused Michael of flagrant non sequiturs, but have we ever witnessed one of this magnitude?

    Can we top that one? Hm, let’s see: “Governor Perry wears boxer shorts, despite his love for fried okra.” Nah. Not even in the same class.

  3. There is a typo in this quote that should be corrected. Public schools in Texas do not teach both creationism and evolution, they only teach evolution. What Perry did say was this…

    “I am a firm believer in Intelligent Design as a matter of faith and intellect, and I believe it should be presented in schools alongside the theories of evolution.”

    No, Michael. You fail basic reading comprehension once more.

    There is no typo in the quote. Gov. Perry did say “In Texas, we teach both creationism and evolution in our public schools….” The article you cite confirms that he said it.

    Labeling his statement as false is very definitely not the same as saying that Gov. Perry did not say it. He did say it. And this goes to show yet again that he is capable of—well, the legal term would be “wanton disregard for the truth.” The question then becomes, how can we trust this man?

    Good question.

    And, why should anyone trust Michael to report facts correctly?

    Another good question.

    .

    Hey, I vote for Michelle Bachmann. She will lower the price of gasoline to $2/gallon. Gov Perry wants to create jobs the same way he did it in Texas—by doubling the price of crude oil. $8/gallon gasoline, anyone?

  4. Michael’s solution to evolution/creationism in the schools is—

    … focus on how nature works and let students decide where it came from like God or evolution!

    Great idea! Let’s do the same in physics class. Observe how a number of objects fall, but let the students decide whether gravity or unseen spirits determine their velocities. Chemistry is another good candidate. Observe chemical reactions, but don’t tell the students about the periodic table. Let them think that there is no rhyme or reason as to how different elements will behave in compounds.

    Will students learn more by observing results without knowing any theory behind them? Apparently Michael thinks he is doing science by peering awe-stuck through a microscope and observing the pretty patterns. News flash, Michael. That’s art appreciation, not science.

  5. Honestly, I don’t even get why politicians would want to make evolution an issue in a political campaign. Even if it temporarily makes some constituents feel good or not so good about a certain candidate,—-who really for president with this topic in mind?

    Okay, Huntsman said he believed in both Evolution and Climate Change. Chris Christie (who is not running) has also acknowledged our part in climate change, not to mention he also stood up to the Islamophobes who protested his appointment of a Muslim justice.

  6. The tree of life hypothesis does not prove evolution as a fact like Richard Dawkins tries to suggest

    Huh? Michael waxes confused again. A scientific hypothesis never “proves” anything. This is the function of “evidence.” The evidence supports the hypothesis. Richard Dawkins did not suggest this. He actually knows a thing or two about science.

    Michael, we give you books and we give you books, but still you eat the covers.

  7. Olorin,

    It is against the law, the high court in the United States ruled that creationism cannot be taught in the public schools. At the end of that of that same paragraph notice what they mention what Perry intended to say about wanting creationism to be taught alongside evolution. It was a typo and very misleading!

    “The springs of the sea” are mentioned in Job 38:16, Did you know that was written about 4,000 years ago? Springs in the sea have only been discovered in recent decades. Quite a remarkable observation wouldn’t you say?

    In your dreams you would vote for Bachmann. lol

  8. @Michael,

    “The springs of the sea” are mentioned in Job 38:16, Did you know that was written about 4,000 years ago? Springs in the sea have only been discovered in recent decades. Quite a remarkable observation wouldn’t you say?

    This is completely irrelevant to Olorin said, so what is your point in even mentioning it.– Not to mention, it is irrelevant to Creationism.

    In your dreams you would vote for Bachmann. lol

    Not even in my dreams would I vote for that far right loon. I have not forgiven her for signing a pledge that said that the children of African Americans were better off when their families were slaves. For that reason alone, if she gets the nomination, I will crawl on broken glass to vote for Obama

  9. At the end of that of that same paragraph notice what they mention what Perry intended to say about wanting creationism to be taught alongside evolution. It was a typo and very misleading!

    Perry said what he said. He may have regretted it later, but it was definitely not any kind of error, much less a typo. Do you know the definition of “typo”? “A mistake in printed matter resulting from mechanical failure of some kind.” Chalk another one up to ignorance..

  10. “The springs of the sea” are mentioned in Job 38:16, Did you know that was written about 4,000 years ago? Springs in the sea have only been discovered in recent decades. Quite a remarkable observation wouldn’t you say?

    Did you know that Krishan spoke to Arjuna in the terms of quantum physics? Did you know that he did this in the Bhagavad-Gita, MORE THAN 5,000 YEARS AGO? Yet quantum physics was only discovered last year!

    I’ll see your Job and raise you a Krishna and a half.

  11. It is against the law, the high court in the United States ruled that creationism cannot be taught in the public schools

    Gov Perry also threatened grave bodily harm to Ben Bernanke should he mistakenly venture into Texas.

    This is also against the law.

    .

    Gov Perry’s statements demonstrate a wanton disregard for the law.

  12. @Michael,

    Olorin makes a good point. So the Bible makes a statement that seems to be scientifically accurate. Perhaps it is, but ……

    1. Did you know that

    2. Also, did you know that Joseph Smith, the Mormon founder, proposed a diet and health reforms that we now know extends the lives of Mormons by an avarage of 11 years due to modern research?

    3. Did you know that Ellen G. White, one of the founders of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, was told in vision that Milk would not be as good for us in the future? Hey, this prediction came true.

  13. Harun Yahya on relativity. Priceless!

    Did you know that a recently discovered manuscript written 6,853 years ago by Shish Ke-Bab contains an explanation of Maxwell’s equations in proto-Indoeuropean?

  14. Pfew,, I did not miss much while on holiday in France … Michael is still not making any sense, to put it nicely.

  15. Pfew

    That is the Gothic form. In English, we say “Pew!”

    Grimm’s rule has medieval Gothic “pf” becoming “f” in modern German, and “p” in English. Gothic “waepfen” for example becomes “Waffen” in MG, and “weapon” in English.

    You’re welcome :-)

  16. PS: Why go to France on holiday?? In August, France is overfull of Frenchmen on holiday.

    Go to San Remo on the Italian Riviera. Or Corfu, or Ibiza. (My favorites.)

  17. I think it is a bit naive to take an article from The New Scientist, written by a journalist who neglects to clearly point out that the paper by Woese et al was a computer model based on some assumption, and then declare that “Darwinian” evolution has been disproven. The key concept of “Darwinian” evolution is natural selection, not a mechanism. Thus your argument in favor of Mr. Parry is quite weak…

  18. @Olorin:
    I like the gothic form better … the extra ‘f’ makes it sound much more powerful ! But that might be just me …

    We went to the south-west of France (near Bordeaux), which is pretty empty most of the time, even in August. Most French go to the south-east: they’re a predictable lot.

    You’re right about San Remo, though, but we’ve been there a few years back :-)

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