Life’s Rotary Engine: ATP Synthase Latest Part

One of the most fascinating research in science today, is a rotary motor! This is a true mechanical/electrical motor, found in every living thing from bacteria to horses, lions and palm trees. Although credit is given to evolution, it lacks any half-way ATP synthase or other step by step processes. Another part of this fascinating rotary motor has been discovered…

It’s production of chemical energy from the food that we eat to sunlight uses not only the rotary but a turbine-like mechanism.  The cell’s energy factory has a piston-driven engine! Reported back in July, Complex I which is a respiratory transport chain in mitochondria that includes coupling rods which have been described as little locomotives. Now scientists as reported in New Scientist are calling them pistons.

“The mechanism proposed by Leonid Sazanov’s group at the Medical Research Council in Cambridge is “almost completely unexpected,” says Faculty Member Thomas Meier.  Unlike the ATP synthase, which “drives protons across the membrane in a rotary turbine-like motion,” writes Faculty member Nathan Nelson in his review, the transfer of electrons from NADH cause a slight widening of one part of the complex, forcing the long helix to move like the a row of pistons that shove protons across the membrane.”

When scientists discover specialized engineering that resembles man-made machines created by intelligence in the simplest forms of life to human beings, how do they react? Their explanation becomes convoluted, like comparing a piece of steel to a car without intelligence behind it but then giving credit to evolution. A Nature Education article by Nick Lane goes about it this way…

“There are, of course, big open questions – not least, how the gradients might have been tapped by the earliest cells, which certainly lacked such sophisticated protein machinery as the ATP synthase,” Lane admitted.  “There are a few possible abiotic mechanisms, presently under scrutiny in Russell’s lab and elsewhere.  But thermodynamic arguments, remarkably, suggest that the only way life could have started at all is if it found a way to tap the proton gradients.”

Did life tap into these gradients on purpose? After all, it somehow found a way, so it must have been searching for it. Another think Nick, and it’s a big problem, without a way to tap into the gradient, it would have no energy to search, discover, then harness the proton gradient. So did the machine arise by chance fully formed to accomplish it’s task or perhaps it was a miracle by evolution? Then Nick goes on to explain all forms of complex life.

We are running on an awesome intelligent design from God that consists of rotary and piston engines which is fabulous! Engineering in nature, makes more sense than a non-thinking process that relies on change of trying to make something out of nothing.


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8 thoughts on “Life’s Rotary Engine: ATP Synthase Latest Part

  1. Does the invention lead to the idea, or does the idea lead to the invention?
    Is the nature of reality different for man than it is for life itself?
    Some would believe it is. Then some would believe in the tooth fairy as well.

  2. Michael,

    Although credit is given to evolution, it lacks any half-way ATP synthase or other step by step processes.

    This is funny because it is not true. Not all rotary engine’s are the same. Some have more, some have less… and therefore the intermediate stages are clear.

    When scientists discover specialized engineering that resembles man-made machines created by intelligence in the simplest forms of life to human beings, how do they react? Their explanation becomes convoluted, like comparing a piece of steel to a car without intelligence behind it but then giving credit to evolution.

    There is no reason to doubt that natural processes cannot produce something resembling a motor. — Mutation causes the variation, and then natural selection determines whether the vatiation is beneficial or good enough. Design can occure in this as good organization turns out better by natural selection than disorganization. It’s not that hard to understand.

    As for your illustration of a car from steel by chance without intelligence…. Michael, your illustration is bogus.. Steel doesn’t mutate. Steel does not reproduce. Steel is not subject to natural selection…And therefore it is not a viable illustration…. In living things, however, there is mutation, repruduction and variation… Steel cars do not do that, and therefore it is not a good illustration…

    But oh well… Cars evolved over time. The steam engine, then the old battery powered car (not to be confused with the enviormental battery car now), and then Henry Ford’s gas powered Model T.

  3. I mis-spoke in my last comment. I meant to say There is no reason to doubt that natural processes can produce something resembling a motor.

    I accidentely said “cannot”—-

  4. I mis-spoke in my last comment. I meant to say There is no reason to doubt that natural processes can produce something resembling a motor.

    There is a hilarious fallacy in attributing design to a natural phenomenon because it “looks like” a human artifact.

    If something was designed because it resembles another thing that humans did design, then—Was it still “designed” before the human artifact was invented? For example, if the e. coli flagellum is designed because it resembles an outboard moter, then would it have been designed in 1905 before the outboard motor was invented? (Ole Evinrude invented the outboard motor in 1906.) So, in 1905 it was a natural development, but in 1906 it became designed. Amazing.

    We can turn that around, too. The hiccup reflex is not designed, because it resembles no machine that humans have developed. Yet, 2 years from now, just after Barack Obama’s reelection, Albert K. Finial will invent the frammous encabulator, a device for automatic subsystem switching that closely resembles the human hiccup reflex.[1] So in 2010, the neural circuit for hiccups is just one of those things. Not designed. But in 2012, IT WILL HAVE BECOME DESIGNED.

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    No, wait there is another problem with attributing design because of similarity.

    Where does one stop? The Sun is a nuclear reactor, much like the nuclear reactors that power human-designed power generators. So the Sun’s nuclear processes are designed! Planetary orbits are like wheels that go round and round, like the Bridgestone tires on your human-designed Yugo sedan. Planetary orbits must have been designed! Many horses have white patches on their feet, that look very much like the socks that people wear—in fact, they are called “socks” for that reason. Therefore and ipso facto, the hair patterns on horses’ feet must have been designed!

    Laughable? Well, yes. AND THAT’S WHY PEOPLE LAUGH AT CREATIONISTS.

    We also laugh at Michael in particular, because he struggles to controvert scientific theories without the slightest knowledge of any field of science. At least creationist journalist Denyse O’Leary took one course in General Science in the 12th grade. Michael refuses to back up his contention that he does know the difference between soft tissue and metal.[2] We have yet to see any of his qualifications.

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    [1] Ah yes. This example is not entirely a product of misfiring Oloneurons. Our hiccup reflex is a vestigial neural circuit that switches amphibians from gill-breathing in water to lung-breathing in air.

    [2] Seer Michael’s post several months ago where he claimed that paleontologists’ discovery of traces of mineralized copper and calcium in dinosaur bones constituted “soft tissue” that should have decayed if the Earth were really a gazillion years old.

  5. Olorin,

    If something was designed because it resembles another thing that humans did design, then—Was it still “designed”

    The fact is we know nature has been known to produce things that “look” man made…. A good example is the so called under water pyramid that is right off the coast of Japan… It looks man made, HOWEVER geologists were able to discover in the end that it was formed by geological processes….. Nature designs.

  6. The scientist says: ““There are, of course, big open questions …”

    Michael happily answers those questions for us, unhindered by any science qualification or any arguments. Just: ‘god did it’ !

    Michael ends with: “… makes more sense than a non-thinking process that relies on change of trying to make something out of nothing.”

    So what process would that be, Michael ???

  7. Over at the Guardian, Martin Robbins’ “The Lay Scientist” offers a hilarious parody of popular-press articles concerning scientific subjects.

    That is, it would be hilarious, except that it matches, sentence by sentence, some of Michael’s favorite sources. Robbins’ template seems a perfect fit for Science Daily, for example. Expand each sentence of the parody into a full paragraph, and you have a New Scientist article.

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    In other news, the newly mailed October issue of Scientific American has a cosmology article by Stephen Hawking. YCLIU.

  8. Did life tap into these gradients on purpose? After all, it somehow found a way, so it must have been searching for it. Another think Nick, and it’s a big problem, without a way to tap into the gradient, it would have no energy to search, discover, then harness the proton gradient. So did the machine arise by chance fully formed to accomplish it’s task or perhaps it was a miracle by evolution? Then Nick goes on to explain all forms of complex life.

    We are running on an awesome intelligent design from God that consists of rotary and piston engines which is fabulous! Engineering in nature, makes more sense than a non-thinking process that relies on change of trying to make something out of nothing.

    Did the Sun tap into gravity gradients on purpose? After all, it somehow found a way to start nuclear fusion, so it must have been searching for it. Another think Steve, and it’s a big problem, without a way to tap into the gradient, it would have had no energy to search, discover, then harness the gravity gradient. So did the engine of the Sun arise by chance fully formed to accomplish it’s task, or perhaps it was a miracle by evolution? Then Steve goes on to explain all forms of complex stars.

    We are running on an awesome intelligent design from God that consists of fusion and fission engines which is fabulous! Engineering in nature, makes more sense than a non-thinking process that relies on change of trying to make sense from an empty brain that can’t even construct a grammatical sentence..

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