Nick Matzke Makes Common Accusation Against ID

Most liberals with a particular agenda are relentless in their quest to accuse others for the purpose of stereotyping them which they consider a much easier way of disqualifying their opposition.  Now there are flaws in the modern intelligent design movement which has been pointed in here. We also have observed the modern intelligent design movement trying to distant themselves many times  from creationism as pointed out in here. Nick Matzke using some sort of conspiracy style in his writing in which he claims to be collecting evidence and then showing it in Pandas Thumb, calling ID proponents, young earth creationists…

He writes…

“There was a huge stink raised over the alleged inappropriateness of linking ID to creationism. After much argument the anti-linkage people more or less conceded that there were some good reasons to link ID to a somewhat generic definition of creationism (relying on special creation), but still protested loudly about how inappropriate it was to make the linkage, because most people (allegedly) would assume that creationism = young-earth creationism, and linking ID to young-earth creationism was oh-so-wildly unfair.

Well, it’s now a week later, and, what do you know, but right there on the latest blogpost on William Dembski’s Uncommon Descent is a big fat advertisement for a straight-up young-earth creationist conference.”

There are different groups of people who are in the modern intelligent design movement. Dr. Dean Kenyon doesn’t represent everyone in ID. In fact, there are atheists and agnostics who have a connection in some particular way with the organization and yet, ID proponents will not throw out their membership per say because of their views about the supernatural. Most ID proponents don’t believe in the earth being six thousand years old, rather they accept the evolutionary viewpoint when it comes to the age of the earth.

ID can be compared to something like the 12 steps which has been used by the US government for rehab, the higher power is never defined to any particulars, it could be yourself, it could be the supernatural like God, it could be the devil, or any other religion or non-religion. It’s similar to how the modern intelligent design movement is run today.

Just like Dawkins who uses Fox News to promote his books, William Dembski uses various conferences to promote ID. He writes in Uncommon Decent“For the record, just because various non-ID conferences and events are reported here at UD (e.g., creationist, atheist, or theistic evolutionist) does not constitute an endorsement of those events.

Nor does the appearance of an ID proponent at such events constitute complicity with the positions of the organizers. I myself have appeared at atheist (World Skeptics Congress), theistic evolutionist (Templeton conferences), and young-earth creationist (local gatherings here in Texas) events. I believe in getting the word out about ID and, frankly, am happy to have the opportunity to address people on the other side of these issues.”

Nick Matzke like many liberals with an agenda hammer time and time again lame accusations towards a group of people in whom they disagree with, thinking this has won the debate when in fact it shows how much dislike they have for people in general whom they disagree with which provides no real evidence for their position! If Nick Matzke was able to produce proof that leading figures in ID like William Dembski were embracing not just attending some young earth creationism conference or skeptics conference, then it would be another story.

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2 thoughts on “Nick Matzke Makes Common Accusation Against ID

  1. “Nick Matzke like many liberals with an agenda hammer time and time again lame accusations towards a group of people in [sic] whom they disagree with, [sic] thinking this has won the debate when in fact it shows how much dislike they have for people in general whom they disagree with [sic] which provides no real evidence for their position! If Nick Matzke was [sic] able to produce proof that leading figures in ID like William Dembski were embracing [sic] not just attending some young earth creationism conference or skeptics conference, then it would be another story.”

    How do you know Nick Matzke is a liberal? Oh, I see– “liberal” is just a generic name for someone you disagree with.

    Dean Kenyon was converted to creationism by young-earth creationists in 1976, and he remains an advocate of a young earth. Fellow Paul Nelson is known as the primary advocate for a young earth within the Discovery Institute. In accordance with their “big tent” principle, the DI deliberately obscures the detailed views of its fellows and staff.

    Young-earth creationists must steer a careful course with respect to intelligent design, and the Discovery Institute in particular. It produces some laughable results at times. Bon chance.

    ==Soc Puppette

  2. Michael’s puppeteer: “We also have observed the modern intelligent design movement trying to distant [sic] themselves many times from creationism as pointed out in here. Nick Matzke using [sic[ some sort of conspiracy style [sic] in his writing in which he claims to be collecting evidence and then showing it in Pandas Thumb, calling ID proponents, [sic] young earth creationists.”

    But Michael! Why would you not be happy to have more intelligent-design people share your own beliefs? Is young-earth creationism really that awful? Once again, in attempting to bash your enemies, you injure your own cause.

    PS: If your anonymous source can’t clean up his own grammar, you should suggest that he get an editor. Ignorant of science, ignorant of English grammar. Perhaps just plain ignorant.

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